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PullUpImpulse



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PostSubject: I Hit a Plateau :(   Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:08 am

Hello,

Have been doing pull ups for almost 5 months now and I am stuck at 12-13 max pull ups. I have been doing weighted pull ups for a while. I am 72 kg and I use 6 - 10 kg weights thinking that implementing weighted pull ups will help me break this disturbing plateau and help me move on my way. But it does not look like it helps. What do you think? Is this the right way to pass the plateau? Or what is the right way?

I do not know if this is a stupid question but, what is the difference between strenght, endurance and power. I read those terms alot but what makes them different?

For instance which one, one needs to improve in order to achieve a muscle up?

Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:24 pm

You can try to increase the number of sets. Also density training sounds good, although I haven't tried it yet. You can get more info in this threads:

http://bar-barians.forumotions.net/t3951-calisthenics-exercises-from-beginner-to-advanced

http://twentypullups.com/

Hope it helps Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:15 am

PullUpImpulse wrote:
Hello,

Have been doing pull ups for almost 5 months now and I am stuck at 12-13 max pull ups. I have been doing weighted pull ups for a while. I am 72 kg and I use 6 - 10 kg weights thinking that implementing weighted pull ups will help me break this disturbing plateau and help me move on my way. But it does not look like it helps. What do you think? Is this the right way to pass the plateau? Or what is the right way?

It will help a bit, but also try doing density training (low reps (~1/4 max), 10-15s rest for 10 sets)
Also pyramids with similarly low rest will help Smile

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I do not know if this is a stupid question but, what is the difference between strenght, endurance and power. I read those terms alot but what makes them different?

I guess a couple of examples will help here....
You need strength in order to do a pull-up with +20kg
You need endurance in order to do 30 pull-ups in a row.

Strength is usually about how much you can lift/pull/push.
Endurance is about how much you can do without stopping.

However... the two are coupled and training specifically for one will increase the other (though not to the extent of training specifically for that one)

Power is normally a synonym for strength. It can also be talking about explosive power (a sort of subset of strength) where you do part of the move quite fast which gains you momentum, this is needed in clapping pull-ups/push-ups/muscle-ups. Weighted work helps your unweighted explosive power.

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For instance which one, one needs to improve in order to achieve a muscle up?

Thank you.

You need explosive power/strength in order to pull yourself high enough. And you also need the right technique...
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:44 am

PullUpImpulse wrote:
Hello,

Have been doing pull ups for almost 5 months now and I am stuck at 12-13 max pull ups. I have been doing weighted pull ups for a while. I am 72 kg and I use 6 - 10 kg weights thinking that implementing weighted pull ups will help me break this disturbing plateau and help me move on my way. But it does not look like it helps. What do you think? Is this the right way to pass the plateau? Or what is the right way?

I do not know if this is a stupid question but, what is the difference between strenght, endurance and power. I read those terms alot but what makes them different?

For instance which one, one needs to improve in order to achieve a muscle up?

Thank you.


Well, I can tell you one easy way to achieve 16-17 pull-ups - simply rest for a week.Smile Either you are not giving yourself a sufficient amount of rest, or not working hard enough and pushing yourself in every workout. During each and every workout do more than you did on the last one. It can be extremely tough sometimes, but it is the only proven way to boost your reps:).
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:16 am

Hi thanks for all the replies.

I will try everything to hit 20 pull ups in a couple of months.

Well , I do a total of 55-60 pull ups on each workout. After a one day rest after my last workout, today, for the first time, I did a total of 81 pull ups 31 of this was with 5 kg weight and 19 was with 10kg of weight, the rest was without any weight and also did other things like hanging leg raises, push ups etc..I keep a notebook and try to watch my improvement. I will do the other workout after one day passes. So I work out everyother day for the pull ups and push ups, dips, negatives etc...I workout on the other days and so on. So I try to balance it self styled. I mostly listen my body and I think this is the bast method. yea?

I feel like I started to do first 7-8 pull ups much more easily and smoothly than before but after I pass 8 it starts to be harder and 12-13 is my max for now. But I think if I started to do the first few pull ups easier I think this shows that something is happening and better days will come Smile

I also am trying to train for the muscle up. Doing lots of negatives. Do you think that this would help me on my feature improvement in terms of getting a muscle up? Like if I train for the negatives and get stronger at that, when I am more strong at the pull up stage, will I be more easily go up over the bar? What is your oppinion about this?

I am too determined to achieve a level that I can fulfill the bar-barians requirements. But the question is, how and when? Hehe Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:54 am

Doing the 1st pull ups easier means that ur power increased from weighted pull ups so u feel the unweighted easier and of course ur endurance is a bit better than before.

If u continue with pull ups and add some more weight in ur weighted pull ups it will help u for sure to achieve muscle up. Also one good way to train for muscle up is explosive pull ups. Juts try to pull as high as possible, this will help u pull high so the transition to dip will be easier in the muscle up.
Negatives helps for sure to understand the movement also jumping muscle ups (find a bar that u can touch without jumping and then try to muscle up but helping also with ur legs).

Hope it helps Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:41 am

i realised that 12 pullups are a plateau for many people i've came across including myself. how i broke dis plateau is simply doing fatigue cycling ( 5 clapping pushups, 10 diamond pushups, 15 elevated feet pushups, 20 standard pushups was what i did) three or more times a day. Basically its just increasing the reps while decreasing the difficulty of the exercise( u can alter the reps and difficulty of the exercise if what i did was too simple for you). Do this for about 2 weeks and see how it goes, i took about 3 weeks and simply increased my max rep from 12-15 without doing much pullups. You dont have to worry about overtraining or not letting ur body have sufficient time to recover cuz ure doing this 3 times over a period of 24hrs (note* this is not considered as a daily workout just an addition to ur workout).
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:33 am

NastyStrength wrote:
i realised that 12 pullups are a plateau for many people i've came across including myself. how i broke dis plateau is simply doing fatigue cycling ( 5 clapping pushups, 10 diamond pushups, 15 elevated feet pushups, 20 standard pushups was what i did) three or more times a day. Basically its just increasing the reps while decreasing the difficulty of the exercise( u can alter the reps and difficulty of the exercise if what i did was too simple for you). Do this for about 2 weeks and see how it goes, i took about 3 weeks and simply increased my max rep from 12-15 without doing much pullups. You dont have to worry about overtraining or not letting ur body have sufficient time to recover cuz ure doing this 3 times over a period of 24hrs (note* this is not considered as a daily workout just an addition to ur workout).


Thank you, I will try this one. So what you suggest is to increase the overall strength and eventually increasing the pull up number. Sounds good.

But, you just do that before or after the workout? Like for instance, once when you get up in the morning, once at the afternoon and once when you get up the other morning?
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:10 am

Also work on your dips for the muscle-up. This is what will help the top half of the movement. The generally accepted rule is the 20/20 rule. Basically if you can do twenty pullups and twenty dips you should be able to do a muscle-up.
Keep it up, man!
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:33 am

freerunner wrote:
Also work on your dips for the muscle-up. This is what will help the top half of the movement. The generally accepted rule is the 20/20 rule. Basically if you can do twenty pullups and twenty dips you should be able to do a muscle-up.
Keep it up, man!


Straight bar dips at that Wink
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:51 am

Tim wrote:
freerunner wrote:
Also work on your dips for the muscle-up. This is what will help the top half of the movement. The generally accepted rule is the 20/20 rule. Basically if you can do twenty pullups and twenty dips you should be able to do a muscle-up.
Keep it up, man!


Straight bar dips at that Wink


Thank you. But I sometimes need to keep my soul so strong to keep moving forward. And you guys here are all my friends about that. Thanks for all your support. I wish I had a friend here that I can work togather on the bars at the park. But no one does that here. Only me doing. And I need to stay strong and workout good all alone. Talk later. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:57 am

No worries mate Smile we're all a community here together facing the same bar.

For the most part i'm the same as you & train alone, (though occasionally I do get to meet up with the UK Barbarians Lee and Jay) and you're right, it can be a real struggle at times, but persevere and you'll get to be like zef one day Wink
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PostSubject: Re: I Hit a Plateau :(   Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:23 pm

Like Zef? bounce bounce Maybe in 5 years I can get close... Suspect
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